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Post by bobalmond on Jan 22, 2009 1:13:18 GMT -5
Jay, are you talking about the super-thick lineweights on the couple walking down the stairs? Without knowing about the script (something I always request) that could depend on a storytelling element of putting the focus on them. While weights separate the planes sometimes you may need to boost weights up to pop something out.
But I haven't look at a large file of this so you could be referring to something else....
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Post by clockwerkj on Jan 25, 2009 11:16:57 GMT -5
Nope Thats part of what Im referring to. However the detail pieces on the railing have that same weight. Thats what makes it odd.
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Post by julienhb on Feb 6, 2009 8:54:04 GMT -5
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Post by julienhb on Feb 27, 2009 5:19:58 GMT -5
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Post by julienhb on Feb 27, 2009 5:39:11 GMT -5
Hello everyone...
I'm sorry I didn't answer before - but I tried to take into account your comments.
More specifically, I tried to separate planes more effectively. You'll tell me if it's better... I hope so - but I'm aware there is improvement to make.
Another thing... Jay, you're right, there is a problem on my Phantom of the Opera piece. Thanks Bob to try to find an explanation but the only one is that THERE IS A PLANE PROBLEM!
I followed the penciller's indication regarding line weight on the main character on the background (the Phantom) but I shouldn't have. I'm wondering how I should have done in order to have him pop in the eyes of the viewer despite his position.
Maybe I'll try again... One day.
Thanks again!
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Post by clockwerkj on Feb 27, 2009 15:09:45 GMT -5
Hi Julien,
You are on the right track. Just keep those ideas in mind when u are working. At the rate you turn out samples & the level of improvement I think you are on your way. One thing that may be a huge help to you is finding someone who inks in a style you want to emulate & watch them work in person. I moved to another state originally & did assistant work thru the mail for about a year when I was at the point you are at. Theres certain things you just need to see first hand before they are going to click for you. If you dont have access like that start buying originals from the guys you want to be like. Focus your purchasing on "non-cool" pages. Get the technique pages with the burlap grads & lots of backgrounds etc.
Hope that helps,
J
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Post by clockwerkj on Feb 27, 2009 15:11:18 GMT -5
to answer your staircase question. I'd rather make shadows that direct your eye to those characters or black out an area behind them so they pop off as white objects.
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Post by julienhb on Feb 27, 2009 18:35:44 GMT -5
Hi Julien, You are on the right track. Just keep those ideas in mind when u are working. At the rate you turn out samples & the level of improvement I think you are on your way. One thing that may be a huge help to you is finding someone who inks in a style you want to emulate & watch them work in person. I moved to another state originally & did assistant work thru the mail for about a year when I was at the point you are at. Theres certain things you just need to see first hand before they are going to click for you. If you dont have access like that start buying originals from the guys you want to be like. Focus your purchasing on "non-cool" pages. Get the technique pages with the burlap grads & lots of backgrounds etc. Hope that helps, J Thanks Jay! Yes that helps! And to be honest with you, positive comments help, too! As you must know already, being our worst enemies, sometimes we need support and when it comes from someone like you... Well, thanks! Concerning inkers I like - I would say there are so many but Drew Geraci is one I really like currently and I wouldn't mind inking with his style and talent! I just loved what he did with Karl Moline on Route 666! (And from my point of view, Karl Moline lost a great inker when he moved to Dark Horse on Fray - just my opinion). This is just a name amongst other but it's the first one taht came to my mind and I didn't have to look for it... Being an original art collector, I already have 4 pages from the pair... And it's really inspiring. There is one page with a newspaper on it and Drew inked all the little letters from the front page article. It was not made by the letterer. Awesome! So much patience and precision... Unfortunately, living in France, there is not a lot of inkers here... Most of French artists do the inks themselves (well except when they have "assistants" like manga artists but in this case they're not credited). I wish I had the chance to live near a professionnal inker so I could be his assistant... But if you know someone looking from a "postal" assistant, I would be pleased!  |
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Post by LeviS on Feb 27, 2009 18:52:33 GMT -5
One thing that may be a huge help to you is finding someone who inks in a style you want to emulate & watch them work in person. Theres certain things you just need to see first hand before they are going to click for you. If you dont have access like that start buying originals from the guys you want to be like. Focus your purchasing on "non-cool" pages. Get the technique pages with the burlap grads & lots of backgrounds etc. Hope that helps, J Julien, That is some of the best advive you can get. Emulating, Some one like Ed Benes started out as a Jim lee clone, before developing his own style. See things first hand. Really this breaks down to how you as a person learn things. I can't read a book, and do what it tells me to do. But, show me one time how to do it, and I've got it. Example: pullouts/feathering, Dexter Vines taught me a excercise at a con one year, pullouts improved a 100%. Buy original art, I only buy artwork based on technique. If you mention this to the artist at the cons. Some of them will actually dig through there pile of work to find you a page with a ton of effects on it. And might even cut you a deal, simply because they know your not looking to resale it. |
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Post by clockwerkj on Feb 27, 2009 23:38:53 GMT -5
Good call on the Moline/Geraci team. I actually assisted Drew on Greg Land, oddly enough thru Greg. I ehlped Greg a little bit around the studio here where we both lived & I would do backgrounds on pages for Drew then send them off to Drew. Also I'd suggest looking at Christian Alamy ( who just moved to the states from France) His work with Doug Mahnke would probably appeal to you some as well.
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Post by julienhb on Mar 1, 2009 17:51:17 GMT -5
LeviS, Jay, Thanks for your feedbacks. I think one of my problems in inking is that I live in France! I didn't know Christian Alamy was French. On the other hand, with such a name, I should have guessed... I like his work on Doug Mahnke's pencils (even if I may prefer Tom Nguyen's work - he may have less technique but a rougher style that may suits better to Mahnke's style from my point of view). He's got a very good technique! Do you know if Christian could be contacted in any way? I have not seen him on Facebook or deviantART... I can find Doug Mahnke's shop on Comic Art Shop: www.comicartshop.com/ComicArtShopsByCat.asp?GCat=31134 but it seems Christian Alamy can't be reached that way neither. I have tons of questions in regard to know how it's possible to work from France for US market... That kind of things... Jay, could you please tell me more about "assistant work thru the mail"? (Maybe by PM if you prefer?). Thanks once again for that help! |
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Post by LeviS on Mar 1, 2009 20:06:15 GMT -5
Julien you need to hook up with spiderguile.deviantart.com/ He lives in Paris, and from watching him on DA, I know that he does alot of the shows over there. |
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Post by julienhb on Mar 16, 2009 10:47:15 GMT -5
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Post by clockwerkj on Mar 16, 2009 13:21:50 GMT -5
Other than the lineweights of the wrinkles in Emmas cloak this is dead on. Really tho that small an adjustment is nit picking.
Good Job,
J
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Post by julienhb on Mar 18, 2009 17:02:28 GMT -5
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