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Post by adelso01 on Oct 27, 2008 16:21:14 GMT -5
I'm relatively new to the ink game  (about 2-3 years) and i am constantly looking for new inks,quills,brushes to experiment with and i was curious specifically what inks you guys recommend and why? I am currently using using Speedball Super Black india ink which i love because of it's density and slight sheen (?) but i also hate it sometimes because it tend to clog up with the quills i use which are primarily the 102 and 107. So what are you guys using? and what could help me with this? Thanx in advance!! |
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Post by Brian W. on Oct 27, 2008 18:09:12 GMT -5
Hey there!! I am also new to this so I have only a limited amount of knowledge to lend, but I did gather most of it from the guys on this forum through other groups and forums!..It's great to have a central location to archive the collective knowledge! With sufficient preamble out of the way.... I also use Super Black, and a couple of folks told me this; Thin out the ink using distilled water and pure ammonia. Add a few drops at a time until you find a consistency and flow to your liking. Alternate inks I have seen mentioned: Higgins Black Magic, Sennelier, Dr pH Martin's Black Star Hi-Carb, Pelikan, and Koh-I-Noor I love these nibs www.wetpaintart.com/Product_Archive/Drawing_&_Writing/Japanese_Nibs/Japanese_Nibs_at_Wet_Paint.html but as Jay Leisten told me....be careful not to overuse them as your work will look stiff and your hand will cramp from the pressure you have to exert to vary the lines....I use them mostly for uniform line work(like hatching and borders). Of course Gillot(sp?) nibs Brushes: My current favorites are the Raphael 8408 series, I have also had good results from the Raphael 8404s and the Winsor and Newton Series 7s....I also really like the W&N S7 miniature brushes at Dick Blick...I find they don't hold very much ink, but hair in a small panel pops for me when I use that little tuft. Nibs: I have a wide variety of Hunt nibs 102, 104, 107, 108, big little, and ridiculous! I hope this helps! B |
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Post by Brian W. on Oct 27, 2008 18:12:01 GMT -5
I almost forgot!!
Pentel brush pens. I don't use the ink that comes with them, I just dip them in ink and use! See the Mitch Breitweiser tutorial to see the potential of these....I'm still trying to do them justice!
B
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Post by adelso01 on Oct 27, 2008 18:33:10 GMT -5
Thanx Brian!! this definitely helps. I'll look into 'em and let you know what the results are-again i really appreciate it.
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Post by jimmyt on Oct 27, 2008 23:32:04 GMT -5
Hi,
The only problem with dilluting the ink I found is it becomes acidic and will turn brown over time. It also will never flow as fresh ink will.
Shake your ink vigorously (cap on tight and let set for a bit before using.
Karl Story uses matte black starr ink but I forgot what it is. It looks super on his pages.
I use Speedball Superblack for brushes, W&N series 7 #2 and #3 depending.
I use Higgins Black magic with a crowquill 102
Rapidoliner for panel borders and once in a while a rapidoliner for buildings.
I use a q-tip for spotting large blacks and pro white for effects and corrections ( not to often )
A fresh bottle of ink and dry series 400 paper is the inkers best friend.
Jimmy
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Post by Brian W. on Oct 28, 2008 8:24:07 GMT -5
Jimmy
Thanks for the heads up on the color change! I had no idea that would happen and I will definitely keep an eye out.
**warning! Chemistry nerd alert**
I will look into performing some pH testing on my fresh ink vs my thinned ink and keep it up over time. If I can figure out the degradation/pH change timeline, I may be able to adjust the pH to stop the acidic turn. The ammonia is basic and should neutralize some of the acidic pH changes but I am not sure to what degree......in case anyone is wondering, my professional alter ego is a biochemist!...it's a great gig since no one expects me to wear my underwear on the outside of my pants...big thanks to Clark Kent for the idea!...here I come to save the day!!.....OOOF!!...stupid gravity....
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Post by jimmyt on Oct 29, 2008 21:55:31 GMT -5
I don't know why but I used it with black magic about 5 years ago on a couple of inks and it has a sepia look on the page now. I used distilled water as well. Then I started using super black and it flows so nice fresh that I use it till it gets to dry on brush ( when ink stops flowing nice ) and open another bottle. It gives the page such a nice look as well.
It may be acidic paper but I figure it's easier to buy it on sale and use it so I don't have to mix.
I talked to Sanford about black Magic a while ago and they sent some samples but they never came up with a good inkers ink for both brush and quill.
Jimmy
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Post by adelso01 on Oct 31, 2008 21:16:31 GMT -5
very cool of you guys to throw a new-jack some help. I was also looking for suggestions regarding online shopping- any good,all-in one online art supply stores? i want a one stop shopping type deal so i can try new things without having to shop from 4-5 different sources.
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Post by jimmyt on Oct 31, 2008 23:07:02 GMT -5
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Post by Brian W. on Nov 3, 2008 11:56:08 GMT -5
www.hofcraft.com/Grifhold.htmThis is an aluminum nib holder for the crowquill type nib AND...it's only $3.00!!...Kubert's school doesn't sell these any more (at least that was what the e-mail to me said!...I think they hold them for the pros!! haha!) I'm with Jimmy T on this one..the aluminum holders are great!...and thanks to Jimmy for pointing them out to me a while back! ;D
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Post by jimmyt on Nov 3, 2008 19:26:05 GMT -5
I just fired off an e-mail to Joe. Hopefully he will restock. They are Dope (do people still say that?)
Jimmy
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Post by Brian W. on Nov 3, 2008 21:00:48 GMT -5
I just fired off an e-mail to Joe. Hopefully he will restock. They are Dope (do people still say that?) Jimmy Uhhhhh...I wish I could write something as dope as "I just fired off an e-mail to Joe"....I've never had the opportunity to meet Mr Kubert and I don't know that I could ever call him Joe. Much respect to Mr Kubert. I was able to get the aluminum nib holder for my Hunt 99's at JK art school though, just not the 108 style |
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Post by jimmyt on Nov 3, 2008 23:03:56 GMT -5
I only met him a couple of times and corresponded a few times with him. He is a nice enough guy. I have to say some friends gradusted from his school in the eighties and he teaches pretty good because they did all right in comics.
So I give him credit, developing a course is no easy task. I probably should have gone back then.
Jimmy T
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Post by TomParrish on Dec 2, 2008 10:42:04 GMT -5
I'm similarly a big fan of the Winsor Newton S7 brushes (#1-3) and use hunt 102's - both currently with Black Magic.
A lot of guys I've spoken to at cons here in the UK seem to swear by using Rapidograph ink with brushes/quills. I've found it ok - though browns a bit (needing 2 coats to give a solid matt black on spotted blacks) and is a bit watery - much like Pelikan ink. That said, it also depends greatly on the board - as sometimes the Rapidograph stuff can be ok.
We're pretty limited to what else we can get here - I've had to resort to purchasing from Blueline Pro in the States and shipping across - I've got a couple of bottles of Speedball Super Black coming at the moment to try out, so we'll see how that goes!
Would also really like to try Raphael brushes - anyone had any luck with them?
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Post by Brian W. on Dec 2, 2008 11:19:53 GMT -5
I am still liking the Raphael 8408s best of all of my brushes (see previous post) I like the "stiffness of the tip better than the S7, although the S7 is still a really great brush.
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(about 2-3 years) and i am constantly looking for new inks,quills,brushes to experiment with and i was curious specifically what inks you guys recommend and why? I am currently using using Speedball Super Black india ink which i love because of it's density and slight sheen (?) but i also hate it sometimes because it tend to clog up with the quills i use which are primarily the 102 and 107. So what are you guys using? and what could help me with this? Thanx in advance!!
